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MINUTES OF I.B.A. MEETINGS / MEETINGS IN 60'S / MEETING IN 1967
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| Meeting in 1967 Minutes of the 16th Annual I.B.A. Meeting
Held on 6 - 11 November 1967
At The Hotel Bahia Palace, Palma de Mallorca, Mallorca, Spain
Present:
Mr. Rodolfo San - Argentina
Mr. Ernst Bardorf - Mr. Hermann Fry - Austria
Mr. Georges Broucke - Mr. R. Ganuza - Belgium -
Mr. Nick Kitchupolos - California
Mr. Per Valet - Mr. Viggo Kristensen - Denmark –
Mr. Paul T. Forsstrom - Mr. K. T. Jutinen - Finland
Mr. Pelix Cotto - Mr. Pierre Baroni - France -
Mr. Bruno Winter - Germany -
Mr. Ch. Tuck - Mr. Adlestone - Great Britain
Mr. Leo Van Vugt - Mr. J. van Hagen - Mr. D. Eekma - Holland
Mr. Daniel Stefansson - Iceland
Mr. Angelo Zola - Mr. Silvio Favot - Mr. Luigi Parenti - Italy
Mr. Yoshiaki Sawai - Japan
Mr. Jean Schambourg - Mr. Remy Mille - Luxembourg
Mr. Leif Solbu - Mr. RoIf Schau - Norway
Mr. Pedro Chicote - Mr. Manuel Blanco - Mr. Alfonso Martinez - Spain
Mr. Sven Eric Winhult - Mr. Jungstrom - Sweden
Mr. Roger Lebet - Mr. Alain Ostertag - Switzerland
Mr. Eduardo Pipoli - Venezuela
Mr. Emil Jankovic - Mr. Jose Faflik - Yugoslavia
Observer: Mr. Tony Fernandes Portugal
Agenda:
1)
a. Address of welcome by the President of A.B.E. Mr. Chicote
b. Official opening of the Meeting by the I.BA. President, Mr. A. Zola
2)
a. Minutes of the I.BA. Meeting 1966
b. President's report
c. Financial report
3) U.K.B.G. proposal concerning Scottish and Irish teams
4) S.B.Y. (Barmen's Association of Yugoslavia) applies for Membership of the l.BA..
5) I.B.A. Training Centre's report by Mr. Schambourg, President- L.B.U.
6) I.B.A. Meeting 1968 - I.C.C. and I.BA, Meeting 1969
7) Honorary Members
8) Any other business (Including points to be raised by members):
At ten o'clock the meeting opens with I brief address of welcome by Mr.
Manuel Blanco the Vice President of the ABE on behalf of Mr Chicote.
There is a special greeting for the Yugoslav colleagues, who in spite
of the difficulty they met with in getting their entry visas, have
arrived in Palma in time to take part in the proceedings.
Mr. Zola gives the Spanish colleagues his heart felt thanks for their
very warm welcome and the trouble they went to get the visa for the
Yugoslav colleagues.
Mr. Pedro Chicote, A.B.E.
 2. The Minutes of the 1966 Meeting are unanimously approved.
2 b. The President of the I.B.A Mr. Angelo Zola then reads his report:
“To see all the Associations belonging to the I.BA, gathered here is in
itself a motive for congratulation and satisfaction, but when we see
how carefully the young Spanish Association has organized the I.B.A.
1967 events, we realize also that we must take advantage of all that
this offers.
Today, we can see Barmen's delegations from four continents gathered
here in this magnificent spot, together with many observers from
associations of countries that desire to join the I.BA. and will prove
an instrument for the further development of our ideals.
In short, we may say that the programs realized have fully come up to
expectations and from this we can draw that confidence we need to face
up to greater burdens of the organization.
During the past twelve months we have had to carry out the programs
laid down at the Geneva meeting and I believe I can state that this has
been done.
The second training course with a larger number of pupils as held at
Diekirch. Moreover, the pupils concerned were ones with a brilliant
future ahead of them, and whose enthusiasm deserves to be followed and
encouraged by the I.B.A.
Our financial situation as our Treasurer, Mr. Lebet will tell us, is
satisfactory and our review, the' I.B.A. 'News has come out regularly;
even if conditions are not yet ripe for our paper to reach that level
of efficiency that is desirable,.
The expansion of our Association takes a new step forward with the
request from the Yugoslav Barmen that must be considered by this
Meeting, but many other possibilities of expanding the I.BA. is
offered, and we are justified in foreseeing that at the 1968 I.BA.
Meeting in Paris, there will be a number of requests for affiliation.
While you will probably know that the Canadian Association has been formed, which desires to join the I.B.A.
I am pleased to tell you that during the year we have been able to forward in our negotiations with the Barmen of Ireland.
The positive fact of the presence of the I.B.A. in Buenos Aires has
made it possible to form the Paraguayan Association, and we hope that
this will speed up the formation of Associations in Chile, Brazil and
Peru.
We must be grateful for the painstaking work carried on by Mr. Rodolfo
San, President of the A.M.B.A. and for the assistance given by his
collaborator, Enzo Antonetti, in bringing about such positive results.
We should also remember that the Uruguayan Association has expressed the desire to return to the I.B.A.
All this progress, all this expansion of the I.B.A. calls for a steady labour.
We must now consider that the time for improvisation and temporary
measures has passed. I.B.A.'s future is now much more clearly definable
than it was and we must there-fore let ourselves be taken by surprise.
What has been done already is what we still have to do. There are,
however, certain points to be borne in mind. It is relatively easy to
set up an adequate organization when there are no economic problems,
and as far as this is concerned, we can by now depend on those friends
who value the sincerity of our intentions.
But there is one point on which emphasis must be laid. Each Association
must learn to think international even when it is dealing with its own
internal affairs. It is only in this way that each Association can
raise the level of its real possibilities. It is well known to all of
us that the collaboration offered by the producers is decisive. But all
the top quality producers have now extended their interests throughout
the world and their desire is to see that Barmen are organized
everywhere. This is true above all in those countries where there are
important centres of production.
When we consider the general evolution of the world, we can see the
professional dangers clearly. These dangers could reduce the value of
our work if we are not prepared to defend the professional standing we
have achieved.
The swift extension of tourism in every country, and above all, the
convulsive rhythm of modern life now require that the Barman should be
qualified and have adequate knowledge, certainly above what used to be
considered enough. Conscious of this, we must make every effort to
solve the problems as rapidly as possible.
The I.B.A. will show that it is an efficient link between the Barmen's
organizations in every continent and a valid means of achieving their
aspirations.
All this means a greater accumulation of work for the Presidency of the
I.B.A. and also the need to increase the effective collaboration of
each Association. We must achieve an international level of activity
that is still more urgent and coordinated by taking advantage of the
experience acquitted during the last sixteen years, and taking fullest
advantage of the wide friendships linking the Associations.
If a family is to make progress, it is first of all necessary that all
its members should be healthy and for the I.B.A. this is identical with
the efficiency of the individual Associations, and means, when
necessary helping them to realize their separate possibilities. What
has been begun this year has marked the beginning of an improvement
that will certainly be extended in future. This action will be
easier if we can seize our opportunities and know how to play our
parts.
We have recently received a letter from the A.N.B.A. delegate present
here, our colleague Sawai, in which formal advice was sought on the
methods suitable for raising the standing of Barmen in Japan.
This is in itself symptomatic and is to be noted. That is a responsible
answer from the I.B.A. that gives the Barmen of that country
suggestions for raising their professional standing, will also tend
towards improving their social standing.
We must also re-member that the aspirations of the young Japanese
delegate have been felt by all of us to a greater or lesser extent.
Perhaps the motives were different, but we all of us had a single
intention.
We shall therefore hear Sawai's exposition of the situation and we hope to give suggestions of an effective practical value.
We can recall the times when the I.B.A. meetings had to take place
almost submerged by the local event and little by little we, have seen
the I.B.A. taking its rightful place through the most recent
conventions and conferences. The farsighted savings of the early years
have formed a launching -ramp for the solution of the first initiatives
taken by the I.B.A. in its own right.
Thus we have arrived at the I.C.C. '67 and the present I.B.A. Meeting,
convinced that we stand on the threshold of a new era for our
organization. Now, the activities of the I.B.A begin from the
individual members of the various associations and from these the
international organization must find its inspiration and strength.
The points on which our organization must remain firm are an honest
understanding of the extreme correctness which must mark our
relationship with world producers, a wise and severe recruiting of the
member of the National Associations, a persuasive action on the part of
the associations to remove all personal interests, the constant drive
towards the improvement of our standing in the services we perform, the
divagation of the spirit of loyal friendship between the colleagues in
every country, the progressive strengthening of the I.B.A.
Training Centre, the speedy increase of all our potential possibilities
-with the help of our I.B.A. News finally directed towards to its aims.
With these prospects, which take into account the results achieved, of
our legitimate' aspirations and of the aims that we have promised
ourselves, we trust that we shall meet with your aspiration for the
work done during the past year.
In conclusion it is my duty to thank every Association for the
collaboration offered the A.I.B.E.S. in carrying on the work of the
Presidency. I feel it my duty also to express my personal thanks to all
for the assistance given.
I should also be failing my duty towards the A.I.B.E.S. if I did not
speak of the help, which the whole of the Italian Association, last
year as well, has automatically given to the I.B.A. and I can assure
you with certainly that the I.B.A. can face the future with confidence.
The various business on the agenda will require further intervention
from the Presidency and will allow us to point out the work that has
been done by various colleagues in the various I.B.A. organizations and
which deserve a particular mention.
The banners and badges, which were inaugurated, at Palma de Majorca are
a symbol of what has been done, and promise for the future of our
organization. Almost 18 years ago, they were nothing but feeble hopes
that were waved at Torquay.
Seeing what good will can do, we trust to be able always to do more and to strive for our good.
For the good name of the Barmen all over the world; let us carry on our good work
He receives warm applause as he sits down.
All those present stand for a minute's silence in memory of those colleagues who passed away during the year.
Point 2c.
Mr. Lebet then gives a very concise financial report. Before he left
Lugano there was Sw. Frs. 16, 562 in the I.B.A. treasury after the
payment of 6003 Sw. Frs. for the Training Centre and Sw. Frs. 265 for
Mr. Zola's traveling expenses.
He will be able to give the final sum on Friday when Meeting ends because subscriptions are paid up during these Meetings.
As the I.B.A. Vice-President, Mr. Turck's request, discussion of Point 3 is held over to Point 7.
Point 4.
Mr. Zola reports that he went to Ljubljana on the occasion of the first
Yugoslav National Contest last September and that he was able to see
for himself the efficient organization and sincere enthusiasm of the
young Yugoslav Association. They have really been imbued with the
I.B.A. spirit, and the idea of setting up a school for barmen is
al-ready being discussed.
Personally, I received a very excellent impression said the President,
and I believe there is a great job to be done' in that country which is
attracting an ever-increasing number of tourists.
Mr. Emil Jankovic, President of the S.B.Y., speaks of the foundation of
that Association, of the enthusiasm that has inspired and united them
so far and that their greatest wish is to be admitted to the I.B.A.
He recalls the invaluable assistance received from the A.I.B.E.S. with
the invitation to take part in the Saint Vincent contest and how the
presence of Mr. Zola at their national contest contributed to the
success of that, their first event.
He ends by repeating that their desire is to be admitted to the I.B.A. and to take part in the present contest.
Mr. Van Vugt then speaks, asserting that he is very glad to see the
Yugoslav colleague's in our midst, but recommends great prudence over
the admission of new members, and refers to the fact that only last
year we admitted the new Australian Association, since when we heard
nothing of them and they have not taken any part in the Associations
life.
Mr. Zola says that he cannot but agree with this, but points out that
there have been changes in the leadership of the Australian Association
and that he hopes things will go better in future. To tell the truth,
concludes M. Zola, I had hoped to see Mr. Johnstone here with us since
I wrote him a personal letter of invitation to take part in this
meeting but I have received no reply.
However Yugoslavia is a little nearer and after the applause that follows this crack.
Yugoslavia is admitted to the I.B.A. without any opposition.
Mr. Schambourg requests permission to hold his report over till Friday
and will this permission is granted, a vote of thanks is passed to him
for the job he has done.
Point 6.
Mr. Cotto confirms the invitation to hold the next I.B.A. Meeting in
Paris, requesting, however, that it should be delayed to December,
owing to the difficulties in finding accommodation in Paris in
November.
He believes that the Meeting may last four days and informs those
present that he is in contact with the President de la Federation
National Industry Hotelier, has given him certain assurances in this
matter.
On behalf of the A.I.B.E.S, Mr. Zola requests to be allowed to organize
the I.C.C. and 1969 I.B.A. Meeting since the twentieth anniversary of
the foundation of the A.I.B.E.S. falls in that year.
This event will take place between Milan - Turin – in St. Vincent and will last some 5-6 days.
Mr. Tuck pointed out, that it is the duty of the I.B.A. to give the
smaller associations also the possibility of organizing events of this
kind. He recalls that Sweden had already made an offer but then
had to withdraw it as had Japan.
Mr. Winhult thanks Mr. Tuck for his speech.
He points out that this year his Association has been able to organize
a Scandinavian Meeting, which was a great success. (Mr. Zola also took
part in this Meeting and Mr. Tuck was invited to it as well).
He therefore hopes that the S.B.G. will be able to repeat its offer to
organize an International Contest in a not far distant future.
A.I.B.E.S. request then is approved and its President thanks those
present assuring them that the Italian Association can be relied on to
do its best.
It was then the turn of Mr. Sawai, representing the A.N.B.A., to speak.
He underlined the difficulties his Association are having in achieving
a higher standard of qualification.
His Guild has a long history and the Members are too numerous, so that
now a strict selection scheme is in force and Associates have to pass
four examinations to obtain the standing of Chief Barman.
In so far as A.N.B.A. desire to organize a Meeting in Japan is
concerned, it is still very much in the air, and in spite of the great
difficulties to be overcome, he hopes and believes that the day will
soon come.
Mr. Zola expresses his pleasure at the work done and the aspirations
expressed by Mr. Sawai, and offers his best wishes for complete
success.
Mr. Rodolfo San, the President of the Argentinean Association,
then speaks and states that the Paraguay Barmen, who sent a delegate to
the Buenos Aires Contest as an observer, have founded their own
Association and that they wish to join the I.B.A..
Mr. Zola reads Paraguay's request for admission, as well as their
Statutes of Association and proposes that it should be examined at the
next I.B.A. Meeting.
Mr. San then went on to say that he is doing everything possible to
organize South America Barmen, following the instructions received
during the Buenos Aires meeting, and hopes that he will soon be able to
announce the formation of a Barmen Association in Chile.
Mr. Van Vugt proposes that the nomination of an I.B.A. Vice President in South America should be placed on the 1968 agenda.
Mr Zola than informs the Meeting that Uruguay has sent in a request for
re-admission, and while this is good news, he wants to go carefully
since we really know very little of this Association; as we have never
had the pleasure of meeting a representative of theirs.
Mr. Santiago Policastro, Pichin spoke next, asking for faith and
understanding for the Uruguayan Association, who has, delegated him to
speak for them. Their greatest problem is that of distance, he says:
their good will and enthusiasm are not lacking. Mr. Zola then proposes
that the real composition of the Uruguayan Association should be
investigated.
He will call for a list of paid up members and the question of readmission will be dealt with at the Parish Meeting.
It would be satisfactory; however, if the President or an official delegate should be present then.
Mr. Pichin then spoke of the work done in South America by the
Venezuela President Mr. Pipoli, who is working hard to have a Porto
Rico Association founded, and explains what has been done so far in
this direction.
After a short break, the Meeting resumes to decide the details of the
Contest to be held this afternoon and to set up the various Committees.
It is decided to nominate a Jury composed of Mr. San, Mr. Nick
Kitchupolos, Mr. Eekma and
Mr. Tuck to judge on efficiency contest.
The Spanish Association then ask for proposals for new regulation
covering International Contest to be placed on the Agenda for the next
Meeting.
As far as the presentation of Long Drinks “Hors de Concours” is
concerned, it was decided after Mr. Alfonso Martinez' very decided
intervention, that each country should present a single long drink.
The new I.B.A. banner, offered by the A.I.B.E.S., was then inaugurated
and the sitting was raised at 1.15 Friday, November 10, 10 o’clock.
After the Meeting was declared open, the Yugoslav Barmen offered their
thanks for their admission to the I.B.A. and gave a present to each
Association President.
Mr. Zola then reads aloud the results of the Efficiency Contest for Barmen taking part in the 1967 I.C.C.
The Long drink recipes were then presented, one for each Association and not interfering to the 1967- I.C.C.
Point 2c.
The Treasurer, Mr. Lebet, then reports that after collecting subscriptions, the I.B.A. balance stands at
Sw. Frs. 18, 962.90. The President points out that as laid down in the
past, 2000 Frs. must be paid back to the Spanish Association to cover
cost of presents to various firms.
Point 5.
On beginning his report on the I.B.A. Training Centre', Mr. Schambourg, states that more financial aid is necessary.
Those Barmen who offer their services for free as instructors should at
least have their traveling expenses and subsistence re-funded. For
example, Mr. Eekma, of the Dutch Association, was at Diekirch- for
several days.
There are also expenses in respect of the guest of Producers, and so he insistent on greater availability of funds.
Mr. Schambourg states that the school is able to house up to a maximum
of 30 pupils and that the period chosen for 1968 would be from March 18
to April 6.
Mr: Zola then asks for each President's opinion in turn and they give
their unanimous thanks for Mr. Schambourg's work as well as their
approval. Many assert that the Train-ing Centre is one of the best
things I.B.A. has done since it was- founded.
Mr. Van Vugt says that the Dutch boy returned full of enthusiasm above
all on account of the international contacts and said that he had
learned more in those three weeks than in all the rest of his life.
Mr. Zola informs the meeting that Isolabella, the Milan firm, has
offered to pay the full charge for a pupil from the Finnish Association
and that the money would be sent directly to the Training centre.
Mr. Solbu claims that the Norwegian Association did not send any
representative to the I.B.A. Training Centre owing to the difficulty of
finding members so young.
The President assures the Meeting that the age question is elastic and
that it is the I.B.A.'s desire to meet national needs halfway.
Mr. Blanco undertakes that this year Spain will do everything to be represented at the Centre.
Far off countries like Japan, Argentine, California has the difficulty of the high cost of traveling.
Yugoslavia also hopes to send one of their boys this year too.
Mr. Baroni takes the opportunity of pointing out that members should help one another by an exchange of boys.
A stay abroad can be decisive in the life of a boy and it is our duty to encourage them to go to other countries.
After hearing all these different opinions, Mr. Zola, confirms the
success of the I.B.A. Training Centre and assures the meeting of the
approval, enthusiasm and help of producers.
The I.B.A. Training Centre can count on a greater financial contribution and he offers special thanks to
Mr. Schambourg, Mr. Mille, Mr. Van Vugt and Mr. Eekma for the interest
they have taken and the work they have done with so much enthusiasm.
Mr. Schambourg gives his thanks for these compliments and the trust
shown in him and points out that a serious problem to them is the
question of language. Not only are the boys compelled to use different
languages, but also the instructors, since the boys may know enough to
work at the bar, but not enough to get down to the roots of a problem.
Mr. Schambourg begs for the interest of the nearest countries and the cooperation of barmen in giving lessons.
Mr. Mille recommends punctuality in announcing enrollment and suggests
the 15th February as the last day for sending in applications giving
the name, working place, home address etc. Mr. Mille proposes also that
representatives of the boys should be invited to take part in the I.BA.
Meeting. Mr. Eekma proposes to issue a summary of what has been done
during the course so that it can given to the who will then be able to
consult whenever they need to.
He points out again that it is most important to send boys who know one of the three principal languages.
All Associations then express their approval through their Presidents for a further impulse given to the I.B.A. Training Centre.
Point 3.
Mr. Tuck then recalls the Geneva discussion and invites all those
present to try to understand the difficulties' of their particular
situation. It is really a unique problem. The U.K.B.G. has numerous
areas and it's particularly difficult to send only three men to
international contests. His words, he says, are the result of long
study and serious thought.
He asks that at each international competition, the U.K.B.G. should be
allowed to send three competitors for the U.K.B.G.; three for Scotland
and three for Ireland.
A letter to all those present for Mr. Flahive, President of the Branch, was then read.
The opposition that I feel all round me is due to the lack of understanding of this particular problem.
Mr. Van Vugt recalls that since 1964 at every Meeting this problem has
cropped up, and he thinks that an exception should be made and the
request granted.
Mr. Baroni says that France also has different sections, as indeed all
countries have. For us Europeans, he says, Scotland is England, while
for Ireland the situation is different.
If Ireland forms its own association, everyone will be only too pleased to admit it to I.B.A.
Mr. Kitchupolos points out that California has left the U.K.B.G. and
set up its own Association and now takes part in international contests
with its own team, and hopes to grow into a U.S.A.
organization. than speaks stating that it is not a political
question, but in any case Scotland has its own
flag.
Mr. Martin Rowell 
Mr. Winhult speaks in the name of all the Scandinavian Associations and
asserts that until Scotland and Ireland have formed their own
Associations they cannot take part in international contests.
Mr. Zola runs over the history of the correspondence taken place on this matter over the last few months.
We are not unaware, he points out, of the history of Ireland, but we have our Statutes and we must respect them.
Dependently of this every country must form their own Association to take part in the I.B.A.
Let Ire-land form its own Association and next year in Paris we shall consider their request for membership.
Mr. Tuck then states that the Statutes were drawn up several years ago and it is also a question of sentiment.
Mr. Zola answers by saying that the Statute has been modified twice
already and says: "You look at your own particular problem, but you do
not consider the position in other countries which also have similar
problems".
Mr. Zola then proposes taking a vote on if Scotland and Ireland form
their own Associations would you admit them to membership of the
I.B.A.? At this point there is confusion as the question should
have been put differently.
After a short and lively discussion the motion is reframed as: " Do we
agree that the U.K.B.G. should be allowed to take part in international
contests with three teams, one for the U.K.B.G., one for Scotland and
one for Ireland ".
The result of the voting was 4 in favor, 13 against 2 votes blanco. The question is therefore finally settled.
 Point 7.
Honorary Members - Mr. Zola requests authorization to prepare a special
badge to offer I.B.A. Honorary Members. This is unanimously
granted.
Mr. Per Valet, D.B.L.
Requests that Mr. Peter Heering whose name is well known and needs no further introduction should be named Honorary Member.
Mr. Peter Heering is unanimously nominated Honorary Member by a show of hands.
Mr. Winter proposes the nomination of Mr. Karl Georg Hosie and Mr. Hans Helmut Asbach.
Mr. Tuck then intervenes to recommend prudence over these nominations
and suggests that there should be a limit of one proposal for
nomination per year for each Association.
Mr. Van Vugt reminds the Minutes of the 1965 Meet-ing which read these
names should he given in advance of every I.B.A. Meeting so that each
country should be in possession of all information before attending.
Mr. Winhult proposes that the proposal should be sent to each
Association with a brief report on the person concerned. While the vote
on Mr. Heering is held valid, Mr. Winter's are held over until the next
meeting in accordance with the above rule.
Point 8.
Other Business –
Mr. Rowell asks the President if, in the event of Scotland forming its
own Association it would be admitted to the I.B.A.? Mr. Zola answers:
it is my personal opinion that while in the case of Ireland the matter
can be solved easily, I can see no solution for Scotland, since for us
Scotland is Great-Britain (and consequently U.K.B.G.).
Mr. Kitchupolos would like recipes sent in for the International
Contest to be kept secret, while some of those presented at the present
contests have already been published in various national papers.
Mr. Van Vugt says that the national selections require this procedure.
It is then decided that in the 1968 Meeting agenda, the new regulations for the 1969 Contest should be discussed.
In this respect, the Presidents will receive news during January 1968.
In the name of his Association, Mr. Per Valet thanks the Meeting for
the nomination of Mr. Peter Heering to I.B.A. Honorary Membership.
Mr. Tuck gave each president as a token of thanks a standard made by
the young Englishman David Greenwood, who took part in the last
Training Course at Diekirch.
At two o'clock after thanking all those present, the Chairman Mr. Zola declared the Meeting closed.
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